PEACE AND VIOLENCE IN CHRISTIANITY (BIBLE) AND ISLAM ( QUR'AN); LUCAS BASHIR VS STEV STEPHEN

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Stev Stephen MY INTRODUCTION Peace and Violence in Christianity (Bible) and Islam (Qur’an) is the topic for this debate. As such it is very important we understand some fundamental things about Islam. I will not bore u with too much history… The fundamental belie…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman It is expedient to know that my opponent chose this topic and it was he who put Qur’an and Bible into bracket. He also gave a rule that we go not out of topic.

While I will dwell on the Bible and Qur’an as proofs, I’ll advise the opponent to stick to the topic and its rules.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Islam as a religion teaches peace. The Muslims mode of greeting attests to this, “Asalamu alaykum WarahmatuLLAHI Wabarakatuhu” Meaning may peace of God be upon you.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman I will also maintain that the Qur’an enjoins peace more than the bible and while There’s no violence in the Qur’an, there are loads of violent activities in the Bible.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman My opponent put Bible and Qur’an in bracket when suggesting the topic, Hence, our sources would be from the Bible and the Qur’an

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be…See More

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Stev Stephen Isaiah 13:15-18 New International Version (NIV) Whoever is captured will be thrust through; 15 all who are caught will fall by the sword….See More

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Stev Stephen BEFORE I APPROACH THE BIBLE VERSE IT IS IMPORTANT WE NOTE HERE THAT I WILL BE USING THE LIFE OF THE ‘AUTHOR’ OF THE QUR’AN IN PERSON OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD… AND WERE WILL SUCH IMFORMATIOM BE GOTTEN FROM… ? IT IS THE HADITH… GO TO MY INTRODUCTION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HADITH MEANS .. thanks…

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman While dwelling on the Qur’an and Bible, I will make some observations. In the introduction of my opponent, he attributed violence to Jesus christ using the Bible as evidence as regards overturning tables. I as a Muslim insist that there is no act of vi…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Stephen Stev wrote, “BEFORE I APPROACH THE BIBLE VERSE IT IS IMPORTANT WE NOTE HERE THAT I WILL I USING THE LIFE OF THE ‘AUTHOR’ OF THE QUR’AN IN PERSON OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD… AND WERE WILL SUCH IMFORMATIOM BE GOTTEN FROM… ? IT IS THE HADITH… GO T…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman The opposite of peace is violence. While my opponent used the Bible to proof Jesus is peaceful yet noting that Jesus was violent, I will buttress his point using the Bible, Jesus said,

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came NOT TO SEND PEACE,BUT SWORD”(Matthew10:34).”…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Jesus explains further, “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law”…See More

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Stev Stephen THE WORD AUTHOR WAS IN ” ” YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman He further explains how the division is going to be; “From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other,three against two and two against three. “They will be divided,father against son and son against father, mother against daugh…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Let us see what Qur’an says on peace,

“By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path….See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman And when those come to you who believe in Our verses, say, “Peace be upon you. Your Lord has decreed upon Himself mercy: that any of you who does wrong out of ignorance and then repents after that and corrects himself – indeed, He is Forgiving and Merc…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman We read again, “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. Wa-in janahoo lilssalmi faijnah laha watawakkal ‘ala Allahi innahu huwa alssamee’u al’aleemu

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman While I have given my opponent evidences of peace from the Qur’an, and debunking the only claim he brought from the Bible, I will keep calm and let him bring in more points lest he may have heart attack from the loads of verses coming in

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Stev Stephen I wonder which i should respond to now… BUT STILL I WILL RESPOND TO UR FIRST QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE…

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman We await verses of violence from the Qur’an

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Stev Stephen lol

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Let us read,

St. Mark 11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman All evidences from the Bible and Qur’an

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Stev Stephen pls control ur people… thanks

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Kabiru Musa Manga oh sorry

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Stev Stephen NOW LIKE I SAID ONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND MUHAMMAD TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM… HERE ARE SOME ACTS — DOING OF MUHAMMAD

Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise t…See More

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Stev Stephen OTHER HADITHS

Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman We have four minutes to go for a break.. Let us read the bible..

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass….See More

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Stev Stephen AGAIN Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman CONTROL UR PEOPLE… PLS

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Stev Stephen WE ARE ON BREAK TILL 8:15 I’M I RIGHT?

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman While we go on a break, I will adjure us all not to make comments till we are done.

I will also point out that my opponent has digressed heavily from the topic of the debate. However, if he brings any source, I’ll take it to be the Qur’an as we have …See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Yes, we go on a break now and I have deleted all unwanted comments from third parties

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman We’re back

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman “If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more

disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals…See More

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Adepoju Yusuf Acadip Great

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Stephen Stev please, give me verses from the Qur’an I want to read. I can help you with some verses if you like

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Numbers 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male …See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman While the Bible gives orders of utter massacre, murder and pillage without any clause, the Qur’an mandates Muslims not to be oppressed, to fight enemies and oppressors and since Islam is a religion of peace,

Allah enjoins us to maintain peace if they i…See More

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Stev Stephen first of all what is the issue u have with me quoting from the hadith are u ashamed of the life actions of Muhammad? why should I quote from d hadith… which is q fundelmental part of the Quran and islam

PLS LETS CLEAR D AIR B4 WE MOVE FORWARD

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman More peace from the Qur’an. “Peace be upon you for what you patiently endured. And excellent is the final home.” Salamun ‘alaykum bima sabartum fani’ma ‘uqba alddari…See More

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Stev Stephen IS THE HADITH NOT PART OF THE QURAN… NO ONE CAN DISCUSS ISLAM WITHOUT DISCUSSING MUHAMMAD AND NO ISLAMIC SOURCE IS ACCEPTED ORDER THAN THE HADITH… LIKE I SAID IN MY INTRODUCTION THE HADITH IS THE DOCUMENTED WAY OF LIFE OF PROPHET MOHD… AND NO ONE CAN DISCUSS ISLAM WITHOUT

CALLING ON MOHD AND NO ONE CAN CALL ON MOJD WITHOUT CALLING ON THE HADITH…

SO WHAT ISSUE DO U HAVE WITH ME QUOTING IT

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman My opponent made mention of beheading in his introduction, let’s read the bible

Numbers 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel….See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Stephen Stev wrote, “IS THE HADITH NOT PART OF THE QURAN… NO ONE CAN DISCUSS ISLAM WITHOUT DISCUSSING MUHAMMAD AND NO ISLAMIC SOURCE IS ACCEPTED ORDER THAN THE HADITH… LIKE I SAID IN MY INTRODUCTION THE HADITH IS THE DOCUMENTED WAY OF LIFE OF PROPH…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Stephen Stev wrote, “NO ISLAMIC SOURCE IS ACCEPTED ‘ORDER’ THAN THE

HADITH” ________________…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman The reason why I have been deleting Christians’ comment is due to Ramadan. No time to waste time plus looking like a murdered and oppressor due to too much of proofs.

Now, he’s making me feel bad because his performance is too low.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman According to the Bible, heaven suffered violence and the violent took it by force.

Who are the violent and how did they take it by force?

“St. Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.”

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Malik Yunusa flawless victory! may be stev has ran to anti – islamic sites.

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Usman Alhassan Umar my brother do not make commment now,this is debate between Bashir vs Steve,plz they will give us chance of Q&A session, wassalam

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Malik Yunusa ok

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Stev Stephen OUT OF THE 164 VERSES IN THE QUR’AN DEMANDING MUSLIMS TO KILL NON-MUSLIMS ANY EVEN MUSLIMS WHO LETTER REJECT ISLAM I HAVE PICK THE BELOW (THE WHOLE OF VERSE I WILL POST AS A REPLY TO THE HADITH QUOTED ABOVE)

Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against t…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman War in heaven

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Stephen Stev wrote, OUT OF THE 164 VERSES IN THE QUR’AN DEMANDING MUSLIMS TO KILL NON-MUSLIMS ANY EVEN MUSLIMS WHO LETTER REJECT ISLAM I HAVE PICK THE BELOW (THE WHOLE OF VERSE I WILL POST AS A REPLY TO THE HADITH QUOTED ABOVE)

Quran (66:9) – “O Proph…See More

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Oluokun Salman Abiodun he doesn’t know the meaning of persecution itself….if he does, he won’t raise the point.

may be he thinks it is prosecution

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Suleiman Bin Yusuf Allahu Akbar! Everyone has right to defend himself.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman I won’t do any commentary, let people just read PEACEFUL verses…

“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.

With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch,

I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth!

I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against

you, to roll you down from the heights.

When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Just for fun..

2 Samuel 12:11 English Standard Version (ESV) …See More

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Suleiman Bin Yusuf Hahahaha raping the wives in front of their husbands.

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Stev Stephen Taking about fun… U no how fun like mohd’s life is right… but I will no bore u with them… u already no dem…

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Seems Stephen Stev wants us to play with verses

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Let me use the opportunity to remind people of my about to e published book.. All verses I’ve been using are from the book. I really did my homework on it, may Allah make it a success

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Let’s go see peace…

“”Then I heard the LORD say to the other men,…See More

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Stev Stephen WOW IS DIS UR RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE VIOLENCE VERSES AGAINST NON MUSLIMS

“ALLAH SAYS FURTHER, LO IF THEY DESIST, ALLAH IS FORGIVING AND MERCIFUL. HENCE, NO NEED TO KILL THEM AS LONG AS THERE’S NO PERSECUTION”…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman It is because peace can’t be found in the Bible, that is why no country run its government with biblical laws today yet we have states where sharia is being implemented.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman My opponent seems not to know what peace Means. Another meaning of peace,

“A state free of oppressive and unpleasant thoughts and emotions”…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman I hope my opponent gets sincere and study Islam more carefully perhaps Allah may guide him.

Any christian reading should also not hesitate to make their decisions

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do…See More

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “”The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.”” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses”” (Numbers. 15:32-36, emphasis added). As can be seen, the verse ends with the endorsement of God being on the Sabbath breaker””s execution. Such examples cause atheist like George Smith to comment: “”The Old Testament God garnered an impressive list of atrocities. Jehovah himself was fond of directly exterminating large numbers of people, usually through pestilence or famine, and often for rather unusual offenses.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman If you haven’t heard,

“Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.”

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Zephaniah 2:12-15 we find

Bible stating;

12 “You too, O Cushites, will be slain by my sword.

13 He will stretch out his hand against the north and destroy Assyria, leaving Nineveh utterly desolate and dry as the desert.

14 Flocks and herds will lie down there, creatures of every kind. The desert owl and the screech owl will roost on her columns. Their calls will echo through the windows, rubble will be in the doorways, the beams of cedar will be exposed.

15 This is the carefree city that lived in safety. She said to herself, I am, and there is none besides me. What a ruin she has become, a lair for wild beasts! All who pass by her scoff and shake their fists.”

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman I have eight minutes more

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman II Samuel 24:15-16 15 “So the LORD sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.

16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem; the LORD was grieved because of the calamity and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, Enough! Withdraw your hand. The angel of the LORD was then at the threshing-floor of Araunah the Jebusite.”

Peace..

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman I have maintained my peace and gotten off Facebook debates for a while because these people are no match. Now, he’s making my head ache due to lots of proofs but worry not, I will give you more than you ask for. So, when you hear people say Lucas, Lucas, you go know say no be beans.

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Stev Stephen PLS PICK AT 10 VERSE IN THE BIBLE U SEE HAS VIOLENCE LET ME RESPOND TO THEM AT A GOAL

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Stev Stephen DO IT AT ONES PLS… ALL MY QUOTE WAS ONES… NOT IN BIT

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24)

“So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh- gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.”

Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land

of Canaan.”

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.

But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD (Jesus) had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.

So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives,

“Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding.

Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh- gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'”

So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. However, peaceful Jesus never tried to stop nor sanction them.

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18NLT) “They attacked Midian just as the LORD (JESUS) had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and

children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.

They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

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Nurudeen O. Yusuf This poor guy called Nehizena needs help. He says jagons about the religion of lslam. Nehizena Ogunrobo Ajao Adepoju Abu Aish

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Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Jihad-

a personal spiritual struggle for self-improvement and against evil.

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